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Apr 4, 2021

In this third season premiere episode, the siblings discuss the recent documentaries on NXIVM: 'The Vow' and 'Seduced', the crimes of convicted leader Keith Raniere, and the parallels they draw with their experience inside and out of the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints - especially Lisa's 18 months on a mission for the church and how she relates to the power dynamics as a woman with male leadership figures.

They also repeatedly mispronounce the name of Steven Hassen, author of 'Combatting Cult Mind Control'. Sorry, Steve.


'The Vow' on HBO -

'Seduced' on Starz -



Theme Music: 'The Falls' by Umbrellaman -